Dog Obedience Training For Your Pet Dog

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1. by musicofnote1, on January 31 2010 @ 3:34 am

   

   Mech, Coppinger, Semyonova and many others have established, that there are neither alpha wolves (wolves live in extended families, not packs, dogs live in fluid, ever changing loosely organized groups, not packs) nor dominant animals. Dogs get their resources or defend their resources usually through threatening gestures, not real fighting. No wolf or dog rolls another wolf/dog unless it wished to KILL it. L. David Mech, founder of the term “alpha wolf” later admitted, he’d gotten it wrong.

2. by musicofnote1, on January 31 2010 @ 3:34 am

   

   sigh – isn’t that the point? Dogs decide amonst each other, if the particular resources (sleeping place, food, toy, affection) is more important to the one or the other. If one dog decides to make a case of it, the other dog might show it’s willingness to conceed the point by voluntarily crawling to the other, lickin it mout, whatever. The other dog does not establish Alpha, it establishes it’s claim to this particular resource. And this can completely reverse itself for another. Read Coppinger.

3. by jboldery, on January 31 2010 @ 3:34 am

   

   @musicofnote1 Not sure why you would say this. Watch a nature channel and you will see the dogs/wolves who are not the leaders expose their bellies to the leader.

   I sat a dog once who was so timid it just sat there shaking. In this case, I needed it to not be intimidated by me. I rolled over on my back and scooted toward it and not looking into its eyes. Within seconds it stopped shaking and allowed me to come to it since I had given it dominance. HOW IS IT ABUSIVE?!

4. by musicofnote1, on January 31 2010 @ 3:34 am

   

   For those interested in reading what professional organisations, trainers and researchers world-wirde have to say about punishment based systems, alpha etc., see beyondcesarmillan(dot)weebly(dot)com and click through the long list of links on the left side. I have no connection to any of the groups or people mentioned nor with this web site. Just an interested dog-owner and -lover.

5. by musicofnote1, on January 31 2010 @ 3:34 am

   

   inasmuch as I’m not a professional trainer and do not live in the US, any inferences that I’m pimping anyone else are ludicrous. I’m representing the idea, that man should not use physical or mental intrusion to FORCE his will on his best friend, especially when there are proven positive ways, scientifically based (yes scientifically – show me the scientific basis for punishment based methods such as chokers, prong or e-collars – there isn’t any) that work better – yes, I wrote BETTER.

6. by musicofnote1, on January 31 2010 @ 3:34 am

   

   Secondly, read Alexandra Semyonava’s 100 Silliest Things people say about dogs to find out what the differences are between dogs and wolves, socially and biologically. Science based, not fairy-tale based. google the name and you can download chapters of this book and her other research papers.

7. by musicofnote1, on January 31 2010 @ 3:34 am

   

   Oh no, I didn’t misunderstand him. read his papers, don’t just view his YouTube. After all, would you try to convince anyone, that basic human behviour can be best charactherized by studying jail inmates? Captive wolves are not wolves living in their natural state and their natural state is the nuclear family with neither hierarchal fighting to establish the alpha breed pair, nor alpha dominance over beta or omega animals.

8. by DrDiddle, on January 31 2010 @ 3:34 am

   

   @musicofnote1
   I think you misunderstand what Prof. Mech is now saying (contrary to what he believed and wrote in the past). Prof. Mech now suggests that “groups” of wolves IN THE WILD tend to be breeding families. He still recognizes that in “groups” of CAPTIVE wolves, brought together in an artificial hierarchy, dominance does play a strong role. Dog “packs” closely resemble the captive wolf packs and do indeed have alphas, betas, etc. Dominance/submission DO play a big role in these packs.

9. by bluegama500, on January 31 2010 @ 3:34 am

   

   well they DO live in packs but those packs are sometimes families but it is still a pack,they all have to have a leader if they want to survive in the wild.They cant all go different ways and have their plans messed up and not catch any prey.They need one of them to boss them around

10. by musicofnote1, on January 31 2010 @ 3:34 am

    

    L. David Mech, leaidng international wolf researcher is an ideiot, when he says that wolves do not have slphas, but rather breeding wolves and live in families, not packs? And you somehow know he’s wrong? Remarkable.

11. by bluegama500, on January 31 2010 @ 3:34 am

    

    That guy is an idiot,wolves DO have a pack leader and its obvious even when you only watch a bunch of dogs,one of them will be the boss of the rest.Just because someone is a scientist doesn’t mean they are smart,their are lots of dumb scientists around you know?

12. by musicofnote1, on January 31 2010 @ 3:34 am

    

    If you’ve never heard of L. David Mech, you should look him up. Foremost Wolf researcher who has stated: 1) Wolves do not live in packs but rather in families – so no pack and no pack leader. 2) Dogs are not wolves and have a different social hierarchy than wolves anyway.They also do not form packs or even set groups, but rather transitory groups without any leader. The idea of becomeing a pack leader to a dog is simply old-fashioned and not applicable. And a sign for abusive training methods.

13. by nicolenadia1, on January 31 2010 @ 3:34 am

    

    Tasteless way to market yourself don’t you think…..

14. by nicolenadia1, on January 31 2010 @ 3:34 am

    

    Who ever is telling you to not listen to this guy is trying to pimp someone else…Totally profit driven. People, use whatever technique works for you and stop thinking that there is only one way to train your dog. Don’t beat your dog or deprive it of shelter, food and water, but train it the way that works for you. I am so tired of you people who think you are a dog god. get over yourselves.

15. by UNSTOPPLE9, on January 31 2010 @ 3:34 am

    

    well hes not saying he wants to be like him

16. by kaygodogsf, on January 31 2010 @ 3:34 am

    

    the reason why the dog wants to get up is because they have a very short attention in memory. it’s not because they’re being dominant or submissive. That’s normal for a dog. The way to teach a dog is to understand dog behavior and how dogs think. if you don’t understand the basics of the thought process of a dog, you only teach your dog with fillers and not through a more accurate understanding of what the dog is doing and is going to act/react.

17. by Mrluckyjo, on January 31 2010 @ 3:34 am

    

    yeah he’s jz quoting cesar milan totally

18. by ducatidarkie620, on January 31 2010 @ 3:34 am

    

    Dude, no one should watch or try anything this guy says.
    He is a horrible dog trainer. I am a dog trainer in CT and this guy is a moron, if you want take notes on anyone watch “kikopup”s videos. He methods are closer to mine and she will always get better more positive results from any dog

19. by WitasPL, on January 31 2010 @ 3:34 am

    

    i guess it’s not this guy’s dog. maybe that’s the reason

20. by ericbarbaric, on January 31 2010 @ 3:34 am

    

    you’re NOT cesar millan…

21. by Milola98, on January 31 2010 @ 3:34 am

    

    Your totally right

22. by TherealAshman, on January 31 2010 @ 3:34 am

    

    you are the pack leader?
    look at the dog, he is not looking at you for approval, he only stays down because he fears the correction, and you have to repeat your command twice in 1 minute…

23. by asdiikk, on January 31 2010 @ 3:34 am

    

    cool

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